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Lorient schedule
Which ships came and went, and which are expected? Live from AIS, the position transmitter on board.
Ship type
188 arrived · 187 departed · 0 expected · 🗺 Live map
| Time | Barko | Event | Destinasyon |
|---|---|---|---|
| F/V VICTOIRE-CELESTE Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LA GAVRAISE 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LA BELLADONE Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LES OCEANES Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V RABELAIS Barkong pangisda · 33 m · IMO 8902101 |
⚓ Arrived | GILLNETTER VHF 16-13 | |
| FV/BEOTHUK Barkong pangisda · 35 m · IMO 8514588 |
⚓ Arrived | VHF16-13 | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V MANATHIA Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LE KERPONT Barkong pampasahero · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| BREIZH NEVEZ 1 Barkong pampasahero · 44 m · IMO 9835252 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| INISHGLAS Dredger |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V MEN GWEN Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | ICI ET AILLEURS | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LES MENHIRS Barkong pangisda · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | ???? | |
| LE DOLMEN Barkong pangisda · 22 m · IMO 9851074 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| LES OCEANES Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| ISABELLE Barkong pampasahero · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIF KRAKEN Barkong pangkargamento · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | HYERES | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LOCMAN Iba pa · 8 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LADY HESTER Barkong pangkargamento · 97 m · IMO 9467249 |
⚓ Arrived | Södertälje | |
| MA BRUNETTE Barkong pangisda · 14 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V ADELINE STEPHEN Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LES FRANGINS Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LOUIS JOY Barkong pangisda · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | LOCTUDY | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V COTE D'AMBRE Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LA BELLADONE Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LES OCEANES Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LE KERPONT Barkong pampasahero · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V IBARDIN Barkong pangisda · 35 m · IMO 8918576 |
⚓ Arrived | FISHING AREA | |
| F/V SAINT GOTHARD Barkong pangisda · 33 m · IMO 8811534 |
⚓ Arrived | FILEYEUR VHF 16-77 | |
| AR VAG TREDAN Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| AMBITION Barkong pampasahero · 216 m · IMO 9172777 |
⚓ Arrived | Ferrol | |
| BREIZH NEVEZ 1 Barkong pampasahero · 44 m · IMO 9835252 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V TALION Barkong pangisda · 21 m · IMO 8732518 |
⚓ Arrived | ZONE DE PECHE16 77 | |
| INISHGLAS Dredger |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SAONA Barkong pampasahero · 24 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SCHEVENINGEN Barkong pandigma · 82 m |
⚓ Arrived | Concarneau | |
| PEN MAHE - SECU TIRS Iba pa |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V MEN GWEN Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | ICI ET AILLEURS | |
| JIF KRAKEN Barkong pangkargamento · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | HYERES | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| TURQUIN Iba pa · 28 m |
⚓ Arrived | Brest | |
| LES DEUX RIVES Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EAP 1 Barkong pandigma · 7 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MINIBEX Iba pa · 30 m · IMO 8626874 |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| CHILL NEPTUNE Barkong pangisda · 8 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| MARIE GALANTE 1 Dredger · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LA GAVRAISE 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| PEN MAHE - SECU TIRS Iba pa |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ARGONAUTE Iba pa · 8 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LEA MARIE 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EXCALIBUR ATLANTIQUE Iba pa |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SANDVIKEN Tanker · 130 m · IMO 9803649 |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V VICTOIRE-CELESTE Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ANDRE.L Barkong pangkargamento · 84 m · IMO 9318632 |
⚓ Arrived | Les Sables-d'Olonne | |
| F/V HEBEILAN II Barkong pangisda · 17 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LA BELLADONE Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LE KERPONT Barkong pampasahero · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| INISHGLAS Dredger |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| BREIZH NEVEZ 1 Barkong pampasahero · 44 m · IMO 9835252 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| EAP 1 Barkong pandigma · 7 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| FURIOUS Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ISABELLE Barkong pampasahero · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIF KRAKEN Barkong pangkargamento · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | HYERES | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LES DEUX RIVES Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LES MENHIRS Barkong pangisda · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | ???? | |
| ST PIERRE Barkong pangkargamento · 84 m · IMO 9598751 |
⚓ Arrived | Cairns | |
| LE DOLMEN Barkong pangisda · 22 m · IMO 9851074 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| FER 610 Barkong pangkargamento · 229 m · IMO 9497335 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| EAP 1 Barkong pandigma · 7 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LA GAVRAISE 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V COTE D'AMBRE Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| MA BRUNETTE Barkong pangisda · 14 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LOUIS JOY Barkong pangisda · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | LOCTUDY | |
| F/V LES FRANGINS Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V ADELINE STEPHEN Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ANDRE.L Barkong pangkargamento · 84 m · IMO 9318632 |
⚓ Arrived | Les Sables-d'Olonne | |
| F/V ZACHARY Barkong pangisda · 14 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LE KERPONT Barkong pampasahero · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| BREIZH NEVEZ 1 Barkong pampasahero · 44 m · IMO 9835252 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| CHILL NEPTUNE Barkong pangisda · 8 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| INISHGLAS Dredger |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MAB EOL II Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | Saint-Malo | |
| ISABELLE Barkong pampasahero · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| SPERED SKORF Iba pa · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ENEZ TREZ Dredger · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| CHIMERE Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIF KRAKEN Barkong pangkargamento · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | HYERES | |
| LES DEUX RIVES Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| TURQUIN Iba pa · 28 m |
⚓ Arrived | Brest | |
| TALHOUANT Barkong pampasahero · 22 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JIFF PATROL 5 Barkong pangkargamento · 9 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| JALYNO Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LES OCEANES Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V GUEVELLEZED 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| IZEL VOR 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| STEREDEN AN HEOL Barkong pampasahero · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| KOMZ ME RER Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| LA GAVRAISE 2 Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V L'ATOUT II Barkong pangisda · 10 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| STERENN RED Barkong pangkargamento · 11 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V MANATHIA Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V OCEANIE Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V HEBEILAN II Barkong pangisda · 17 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| MA BRUNETTE Barkong pangisda · 14 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LOUIS JOY Barkong pangisda · 15 m |
⚓ Arrived | LOCTUDY | |
| F/V ZACHARY Barkong pangisda · 14 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V VICTOIRE-CELESTE Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| ST PIERRE Barkong pangkargamento · 84 m · IMO 9598751 |
⚓ Arrived | Cairns | |
| F/V COTE D'AMBRE Barkong pangisda · 16 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| F/V LE PEARL Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| F/V LA BELLADONE Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| LES OCEANES Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| PLAYA DO TORNO Barkong pangisda · 36 m · IMO 9431408 |
⚓ Arrived | PESCA CANAL 71 | |
| LE KERPONT Barkong pampasahero · 23 m |
⚓ Arrived | Donges | |
| F/V MEN GWEN Barkong pangisda · 18 m |
⚓ Arrived | ICI ET AILLEURS | |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| BREIZH NEVEZ 1 Barkong pampasahero · 44 m · IMO 9835252 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
⚓ Arrived | Lorient | |
| KOMZ ME RER Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| MINIBEX Iba pa · 30 m · IMO 8626874 |
⚓ Arrived | — | |
| Ngayon | |||
Nasa daungan ngayon (45)
| Barko | Status | Destinasyon | Huling nakita |
|---|---|---|---|
| FER 610 Barkong pangkargamento · 229 m · IMO 9497335 |
Nakadaong | Lorient | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| FORMION Barkong pandigma · 122 m |
Nakadaong | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| EMPEDOCLE Iba pa · 57 m · IMO 8741351 |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| ECCS TEST Iba pa · 50 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| INSULA Barkong pangkargamento · 50 m · IMO 8956827 |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| FROMVEUR II Barkong pampasahero · 45 m · IMO 9588134 |
Nakadaong | Lorient | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| ALMA KAPPA Tugboat · 37 m · IMO 9467500 |
Nakadaong | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| F/V JULIEN COLEOU Barkong pangisda · 30 m |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| MINIBEX Iba pa · 30 m · IMO 8626874 |
Nakatigil | — | 18 min ang nakalipas |
| MISTRAL 7 Tugboat · 30 m · IMO 9192571 |
Nakadaong | Brest | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| BRETAGNE Iba pa · 25 m · IMO 9398814 |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| AN ORIANT Tugboat · 24 m · IMO 9378577 |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| SAONA Barkong pampasahero · 24 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| TSM BATZ Tugboat · 24 m · IMO 9963530 |
Nakadaong | Lorient | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| KERGROISE Tugboat · 23 m · IMO 1050246 |
Nakatigil | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| ERIC BLOODAXE Barkong pampasahero · 19 m |
Naglalayag, 9.2 knot | Lorient | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| LES LOUSTIKS Bangkang may layag · 17 m |
Nakatigil | — | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| DE FACTO Bangkang may layag · 16 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| FOUGY Pleasure craft · 15 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| AR-MEN Bangkang may layag · 14 m |
Nakatigil | — | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| BUMBU Bangkang may layag · 14 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| ORION Pleasure craft · 14 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| WOODSTOCK Bangkang may layag · 14 m |
Nakatigil | DREDGING OPERATION | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| F/V ALICE PAUL 2 Barkong pangisda · 13 m |
Nakatigil | Nantes | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| GLARAM BRAZ Bangkang may layag · 13 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| MAITAI Bangkang may layag · 13 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| TIEGEZH Bangkang may layag · 13 m |
Nakatigil | — | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| WIND OF CHANGE Bangkang may layag · 13 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| CARGOLO Bangkang may layag · 12 m |
Nakatigil | — | 11 min ang nakalipas |
| KOMZ ME RER Barkong pangisda · 12 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| ORCA Bangkang may layag · 12 m |
Nakatigil | — | 10 min ang nakalipas |
| SYLPHRENA Bangkang may layag · 12 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| TY MINUS Pleasure craft · 12 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| CHRIS II Pleasure craft · 11 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| FATU HIVA 3 Bangkang may layag · 11 m |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| KILREDENN 2 Bangkang may layag · 11 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| MANAO Bangkang may layag · 10 m |
Naglalayag, 0.8 knot | — | 53 min ang nakalipas |
| SEA HORSE Pleasure craft · 10 m |
Nakatigil | — | 10 min ang nakalipas |
| SNS 293 Rescue boat · 10 m |
Nakaangkla | Lorient | 28 min ang nakalipas |
| VALERIU Bangkang may layag · 10 m |
Nakatigil | — | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| ESPERENDZA Bangkang may layag · 9 m |
Naglalayag, 3.5 knot | — | 8 min ang nakalipas |
| ALIREVA Bangkang may layag |
Nakatigil | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| ANDROMEDE Bangkang may layag |
Naglalayag, 2.8 knot | — | 7 min ang nakalipas |
| FRENCH WARSHIP GER Barkong pandigma |
Nakadaong | POLNAV | 9 min ang nakalipas |
| VENUS Bangkang may layag |
Nakatigil | — | 8 min ang nakalipas |
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